Amma
Bhagavan on the "Illusion of Self"
Sri Amma Bhagavan
(Kalki) Speaks - Messages by Sri Bhagavan
Q : If self is an illusion, who am I. What
is my real existence?
Kalki Bhagavan : You do not exist. That is the truth. That sense of
“I and you”, the sense of separateness, is an illusion. It does not really
exist. For example, as you are listening to me, you are seeing me but you
are not hearing me, and when you hear me, you are not seeing me. But that is
happening so fast, that you have this illusion that you are seeing and
hearing. The two senses have got coordinated, like in a movie, unless you
have those 16 shots moving per second you will not
see the hand movement, in the movie theatre. If the projector is slowed down
it becomes only like a slide. Similarly, here the senses are coordinating at
a particular speed whereby you are feeling that you are seeing, touching as
though all these things are going on at the same time. It is this illusion
that creates the sense of “Me” and “I”. If this is slowed down, you all just
vanish! So, now you are there. If I were to slow down your senses, if you
would give me permission, you would just disappear. You will go back home
minus yourself! But you will still be very functional, you will in fact be
very efficient. The sense of separateness would completely be gone. What
remains there is life or you may call it pure consciousness; the stuff from
which this whole universe is made. What is there ultimately is consciousness
and that has to only to be experienced. How can you see yourself? There is
no way to see consciousness, because you are that. Its true nature is Ananda
and Love. It is a causeless Love.
What you call love is not truly love. You either beg for love, asking
somebody to give you love, or if you give love it is because somebody is big
or famous or great or wealthy or you have something to gain from that. You
love your wife or husband because he or she means something to you. You
possess somebody, you are attached to somebody. That is not the love we are
talking about. This love is a causeless love. It is just there. This can
happen only if the “I” the “self” disappears. It's a very simple thing - the
senses have to be slowed down a little bit… and behold; You are not there!
What is there is only life. You will feel you are one with the universe,
completely one. It is not a mystical experience. A mystical experience comes
when the kundalini rises to the chakras, but when it comes down… the
experience is lost. We are not talking about that. We are talking of a very
robust state of 24 hours irreversible consciousness. You are completely
gone. To attain this state you must qualify. The qualification is, you must
set right your relationship.
It takes only 7 minutes for me to give you that state you perceive
everything without the “Me” or the “I” . For example: when I look at you
people, I don't feel you are outside of me. Its as though all of you are
inside of my belly, I can never see anything as separate. It's a fact and
reality for me, and this is how all these 320 people who have got the state
are experiencing. You can experience it. Somebody is not outside of you.
Strangely the boundaries of the body cease. You no more can see it as your
hand or your body, Its gone. The whole thing has become your body, it is a
part of you. It is then that you have this true love, because it is a part
of you. There is no cause, and there is no question of the mind slipping
into the past or worrying about the past or projecting into the future or
thinking about the future. It lives in the moment. Every moment it lives and
you start really living. Right now, what is happening is, you are merely
existing. You live because you are afraid of dying. Otherwise you see no
reason, why you should continue with your mediocre life. You get up in the
morning, go to the toilet, brush your teeth, have your breakfast, pack up
your lunch, go to office or do some business, come back, have a quarrel with
your wife, have a fight with your child… again comeback watch your TV… day
in day out…this routine, mediocre, meaningless, purposeless.
You create of course some meaning. You say “I'm doing some social
work…helping man….” and all kinds of things because you have to invent these
things. There is no meaning, because deep inside, there is only sorrow
inside you. You don't know what to do with your lives. You've got into this
mechanical trap created by self, by the “Me”. So, you have built up various
escape systems, mechanisms and you continue with this kind of life and the
only reason you are not sick is because, I can probably say, you are afraid
of dying ….
You have had no moments of ecstasy or bliss or joy. It is what really life
is all about. You've certainly missed out on all that. So, sometimes I
marvel how people are able to live. It really baffles me. To me, giving
enlightenment is not a big problem at all. To me the problem is, I wonder
how people continue to live, how many escape systems can they build! They
have TV systems, computers, sky diving… and what else….somehow you must
manage your lives. You are managing
your sorrow, you are escaping from your sorrow, doing all these things but
fundamentally that pain is there inside; that ache, what's all this ? What
is the meaning of life? Where are we going? We are getting older, and seem
to have achieved nothing and what is the purpose of all this….?
That is the meaning of the word ‘Dukha'. There is no translation for it in
English. We use the work ‘suffering', which is not the true meaning of the
work ‘dukha'. It is a very abstract and not clearly definable ache you have,
the ache which Buddha had. He had everything in life yet that pain was
there, that sense of “what's all this about”. That is what we mean by the
work ‘dukha'. So, this has to go, That's the reason for the Mukthi Yagna.
But you must first feel that pain. That's the 1st
qualification. If you don't feel the pain and say “OK! I'm managing my
suffering and I'm happy with it” then I have no business with you.
I can help you only if it is going to really trouble you. The second thing
is, your relationships. That's very important. Then you are ready for
receiving my grace of Mukti. Only then you'll know what true love is, what
compassion is, what it is to share your life with others, what all this talk
of oneness is. All the scriptures will start revealing themselves to you.
Nobody needs to teach you. You are your own guru you can see it for
yourself.
Liberation from Work
is
Liberation from Society
is
Liberation from Civilization
is
Liberation from Knowledge
is
Liberation of the Mind
is
Liberation from the Self
is
Liberation of the Senses
is
Liberation of Life
is
Enlightenment .
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